How far back can child maintenance be backdated?
Child maintenance cannot be backdated to a period before a Child Maintenance Sevice Case is opened.
Child Maintenance UK provides unofficial advice on child support for seperated parents, who are paying child maintenance, or receiving child maintenance through a child support arrangement, managed by the Child Maintenance Service.
2023/12/27
Can Child Maintenance be backdated?
2023/12/20
Child Maintenance Trap!
Beware the Private Arrangement Trap
In today's post, we're going to delve into a topic that affects many parents: child maintenance payments, specifically private arrangements. With the proliferation of private arrangements and online discussions, it's important to understand the ins and outs of the Child Maintenance Service (CMS) and the potential pitfalls that can arise from starting private payment arrangements when there is a live CMS case. Whether you're the paying parent or the receiving parent, sticking to the guidelines can save you a world of hassle in the long run. So, let's get started with a quick video.
The Temptation of Private Arrangements
It's not uncommon to come across stories of parents who choose to sidestep the CMS payment schedule and opt for private arrangements. However, this practice can lead to unforeseen complications down the line. It's crucial to note that if you have an active CMS case, you're obligated to follow their payment plan. Its not a guidline, its a legally backed up plan based on the income of the paying parent. Changing or deviating from the arrangement might seem like a convenient choice, but it can invite unnecessary trouble. It is of course different if there is no CMS case. The CMS have no jurisdiction to intervene into a non CMS case and a private arrangement is normally of benefit to both parties. CMS cases can not be backdated to before a case was opened.
The CMS Dilemma: Overpaying and Underpaying
One common issue that arises from disregarding CMS guidelines is the dual challenge of overpaying or underpaying child maintenance. Many parents find themselves in a predicament where they have made a private arrangement, only to be pursued by CMS for arrears due to underpayments. CMS uses a formula to calculate payment amounts, and the payment amounts are required to be paid legally, so going against this system can lead to discrepancies even though both parties may have subsequently agreed not to follow the CMS formula. THe key issue is that at any time, the receiving parent can claim that the legally binding payment plan is not being kept to, or not even paid at all.
The Importance of Compliance
To avoid these complications, it's imperative to comply with the CMS payment schedule. If you are a receiving parent, find discrepancies in the payment amount, the appropriate course of action is to engage with the CMS complaints process, although we recommend that if you are able to speak to the ex, you ask them to pay any outstanding balance. Rather than attempting to resolve the issue through private arrangements, adhering to the established system will ensure that you're on the right track. If you are a paying parent, and you dont stick to the payment schedule, your partner could go back to the CMS at any time and say you ae not paying. CMS will look at your last three payments initially and if your bank statement payments dont match the payment schedule, you will automatically be assumed to be in default. Ask yourself, do you really want to pay 20% more due to being put onto Collect and Pay.
The Collect and Pay Conundrum
Nobody wants to find themselves on the "collect and pay" path, which involves CMS taking direct control of payments and potentially adding an extra fee of 20 percent for their services. Sticking to the CMS payment schedule helps you steer clear of this path. For receiving arents, you should be aware that if the paying parent is put on Collect and pay, your paymnets are also charged a fee, and you will receive 4% less due to fees.
Avoiding Lump Sum Payments
Another pitfall to steer clear of is paying arrears as a lump sum. CMS calculates arrears into the ongoing payment schedule, which means that by adhering to the regular payments, you'll gradually clear any outstanding amounts. Paying arrears as a lump sum can complicate matters and may not align with the CMS calculations, potentially leading to more misunderstandings. For example, the Ex may ask for money early, maybe 3 months worth. If you pay it and miss the next three instalments, the money may be considered to be a gift as it was paid outside of the installment plan, and perversely, it will look like you have missed the last three payments.
Getting off of Collect and Pay
If you have been caught out by the private arrangement trap, you will have to pay an extra 20 per cent on your payments for 12 months minimum. However you can ask to be put back to Direct pay after 6 months. You do this by asking CMS to start the process. They will then insist you make a further 6 payments by direct debit, before finally allowing you to pay direct, and without a fee.
Conclusion
In conclusion, navigating child maintenance payments doesn't have to be a daunting task. By adhering to the CMS payment schedule, engaging with their complaint process when necessary, and avoiding private arrangements where CMS have not closed the case, you can save yourself from unnecessary stress and financial complications. Remember, the key is to follow the established guidelines to ensure a smooth and hassle-free journey. A private arrangement should never be set up if there is an ongoing Child Maintenance Service case.
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How To Submit a SAR Request
Redaction
Redaction is the process where they hide other peoples information. So you will receive pages with text overwritten in black, so it wont be visible. That is likely to be the other parties data, which you do not have access to.
You wont be provided with another persons data, unless there is a mistake.
Ans: While you can inquire during a phone call, it's much faster and more efficient to use the DWP’s online SAR request page. CMS staff are typically unable to submit requests on your behalf, so always submit your SAR via the proper channels.
Q3: Can I request call recordings under GDPR.
Ans Yes, but you must state you want call recordings. If you dont you will get information from the computer file only.
How to Report Child Benefit Fraud
How To Report Child Benefit Fraud: A Comprehensive Guide
Introduction
Child Benefit fraud is a serious issue in the UK, with some parents manipulating the system to also receive more money from the Child Maintenance Service (CMS). This guide explains how to report Child Benefit fraud, provides key legal information, and includes real-life case examples to illustrate the impact of fraud.
Understanding Child Benefit and CMS
The Child Maintenance Service (CMS) ensures that child support payments continue as long as the child is in education up to Level 3 (equivalent to A levels). The CMS heavily relies on Child Benefit records to determine whether a child is still in education.
To qualify, the education must be a recognized qualification—it cannot be work experience, a weekend course, or a paid apprenticeship.
However, some parents exploit this system by failing to cancel Child Benefit when their child leaves education early. This means they continue to receive both Child Benefit and child maintenance payments unfairly. Since the CMS does not verify educational status directly with colleges, incorrect Child Benefit records can lead to wrongful CMS charges.
This is not a victimless crime—it has a financial impact on the paying parent.
Key Dates for Child Benefit Termination
When a child leaves education, Child Benefit payments usually stop at the next terminal date:
- End of February
- End of May
- End of August
- End of November
- End of February
- End of May
- End of August
- End of November
For example:
- If a child leaves college in December, Child Benefit continues until the end of February.
- If a child finishes a two-year college course in June, Child Benefit stops on 31st August.
- If a child is on a paid apprenticeship, they do not qualify for CMS or Child Benefit.
- If a child leaves college in December, Child Benefit continues until the end of February.
- If a child finishes a two-year college course in June, Child Benefit stops on 31st August.
- If a child is on a paid apprenticeship, they do not qualify for CMS or Child Benefit.
How to Report Child Benefit Fraud
If you suspect Child Benefit fraud, you can report it in the following ways:
1. Online Reporting
Use the HMRC online fraud reporting tool:
2. Telephone Reporting
Call the HMRC Fraud Hotline at 0800 788 887. This is a confidential service where you can report suspected fraud.
3. Report by Post
Send a written report to:
HM Revenue and Customs - Child Benefit Office
PO Box 1
Newcastle Upon Tyne
NE88 1AA
United Kingdom
Case Examples
Case 1: CMS Overpayment Due to Fraudulent Child Benefit Claim
John had been paying child maintenance for his 18-year-old son, whom he believed was still in college. However, through contacts at the school, he discovered that his son had dropped out six months earlier. The receiving parent failed to cancel Child Benefit, leading to continued CMS payments.
John reported the suspected fraud to HMRC and provided supporting evidence. HMRC investigated, found the claim fraudulent, and ordered repayment of wrongly claimed Child Benefit. CMS then closed his case and refunded overpaid maintenance.
Case 2: Child Left Education, but Child Benefit Continued
Sarah's daughter left education in December, but the receiving parent continued to claim Child Benefit until August. Sarah reported the fraud to HMRC, who confirmed the ineligibility of payments. The receiving parent was required to repay the overclaimed Child Benefit, and Sarah's CMS payments stopped sooner than initially expected.
Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)
Q: Will the Child Maintenance Service tell me when my child leaves college?
A: No, CMS will only inform you that the case is closed when Child Benefit stops. CMS does not have direct access to college attendance records.
Q: My child finished school in June—why is my CMS still being deducted?
A: Child Benefit usually ends on August 31st. If your child left in June, the receiving parent is entitled to Child Benefit until August, which keeps CMS active until then.
Q: The CMS case has closed, but I still have payments on my schedule. Why?
A: This likely means you are paying in arrears. CMS calculates arrears separately and will continue to collect them even after the case is closed.
Additional Resources
- Report Benefit Fraud: HMRC Benefit Fraud Reporting
- Child Maintenance Information: CMS Website
- Appeal CMS Decisions: Challenge CMS Calculations
- Report Benefit Fraud: HMRC Benefit Fraud Reporting
- Child Maintenance Information: CMS Website
- Appeal CMS Decisions: Challenge CMS Calculations
Conclusion
Child Benefit fraud is a serious issue that directly impacts paying parents by wrongfully extending CMS payments. Reporting fraudulent claims can prevent financial losses and hold the responsible party accountable. If you suspect fraud, report it immediately via phone, online form, or post.
Persistence and knowledge of the system can help stop fraudulent claims and ensure fair payments.
This video explains further:
Conclusion:
Reporting Child Benefit fraud is essential to ensure fairness and integrity in the system. By understanding how the CMS and Child Benefit records work, and knowing the correct channels to report fraud, you can help prevent unjust payments and support the proper use of public funds.
Once the case is closed, even after a refund, you may still owe some arrears.
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Conclusion:
Reporting Child Benefit fraud is essential to ensure fairness and integrity in the system. By understanding how the CMS and Child Benefit records work, and knowing the correct channels to report fraud, you can help prevent unjust payments and support the proper use of public funds.
Once the case is closed, even after a refund, you may still owe some arrears.
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Further Reading
Child benefit entitlement can be clarified by checking the Child Benefit Technical Manual
Child Maintenance Guide
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Child Support Arrears and the Child Maintenance Service
Understanding Child Maintenance Arrears: Child Support Arrears Help
But its all bluff. Dont be intimidated because your ex partner is divorcing you, using top divorce lawyers from the top divorce law firms. They are able to intimidate you, because you dont know what they know. Which is "Why you Shouldnt Pay CMS Arrears"
So lets explain why you should not pay child support arrears, by delving into the terminology surrounding arrears, explain the calculations that lead to their accumulation, and provide practical advice on how to manage them effectively.
Defining Arrears and Debunking Misconceptions:
That makes it extremely confusing. Because the arrears are not due, and they are arrears due to the payments for the past, not being paid, because they are due in the future!
It's important to understand that even a minor unpaid amount can be labeled as arrears. For example, when a CMS case is set up, the CMS is calculated on a daily basis, and the CMS dont send a calculation until 14 days have passed, so there will always be arrears at the start of a case. This designation can lead to significant confusion, especially if not properly explained. Let's take a closer look at a few examples to illustrate this point.
Understanding CMS Payment Cycles and Recalculations:
So in this case, you would be paying in arrrears, and you will therefore owe a month of money on the day you are due to pay it. The payment will reduce the balance, and then a month later the cycle starts again.
Posting Day
CMS is worked out as a daily figure. Once a month the accrued daily figures are posted to CMS accounts. Parents may notice that once a month the arrears balance goes up. It then reduces on payment day. This means the arrears balance could be three different figures as it sarts at one level, goes up when arrears are posted, and then goes down again when payment is made.
To complicate matters, a month has a different number of days, so whilst 1/12th is paid each month, it may mean the figures differ slightly month to month.
Missed Payments
We are familiar with horror stories. It is known that when a payment is partially made, but reported as not paid, the system adds the full payment due from the balance.
Example: £100 is due, someone pays under by £5. It is reported as a missed payment. CMS computer records a £100 not paid, not £5, therefore inflating the arrears by a £100, and not £5
It has been found that often when reported payments are checked and found to be not missed, the CMS should reapply the entire paid amount to the balance. CMS frequently do not. This means that depite the payment being made, the system carries the balance until the case is closed, and the paying parent ends up paying again.
So if a payment is missed, it is essential to make sure CMS credit the whole amount paid.
Adjustments causing arrears:
If the CMS do a back calculation, and establish that you have to pay an extra £1 per day from 100 days ago, you are automatically put into £100 of arrears. However the payment is not actually due. CMS take the payment over the future repayment schedule. If there were 10 months to the next annual review, they would take an extra £10 per month.
So this causes confusion. The money is labelled as arrears, but is not due to be taken for 10 months.
Practical Steps to Manage Arrears
You do not have to pay any lunp sums. In fact you should never pay a lump sum, as the arrears are included in the payment plan. Lump sums are often made when the first CMS payment letter comes, and it imnform sof arrears. Many make the mistake of paying the child support arrears recorded at that point, and then duplicating the payment, when the first child support payment is actually due.
Do not be coerced into paying child support payments that you do not legally have to make.
Common Questions
Q. Can child maintenance arrears be written off?
A. The CMS can speak to the receiving parent and agree to write off arrears.
Q. Should I pay child support arrears?
A. You should only pay the scheduled payments, as the arrears repayment is built into the payments
Further Child Support Resources:
Here's Why You Shouldn't Be Afraid of Child Maintenance Arrears
CMS Arrears and the DEO
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2023/12/13
Suggested Books To Buy
New To The Child Maintenance Service
If you are currently splitting from your partner, you will probably have friends giving you lots of advice.
Those friends may feel they are being helpful, but you are probably better off taking the time to do your own research rather than rely on the mate down the pub, or someones comments on facebook. This will prepare you for when you eventually speak to a solicitor.
As you would expect, a book is no substitute for good legal advice, however a book does allow you to read up on matters, and therefore prepare questions for your solicitor, in order to make appointments as cost effective as possible.
One of the best ways to get e books cheaply is via Amazon. using their Kindle Service. You dont need a Kindle to read a Kindle book, just a PC, laptop, phone or tablet.
Ebooks have several advantages over print media. For example an ebook downloaded from Amazon, can be delivered straight away to your device, will often be cheaper, and it can be updated after you download it with more content.
Amazon run a subscription service for books called Kindle Unlimited which costs £7.99 per month. You can normally get a free 30 day trial of the service.
This therefore makes it perfect for downloading books.
Here are some suggestions.
Work Pensions and CMS
Pensions and Employment
If you are offered a work pension scheme, and your employer contributes to it, it is almost certainly a good deal. After all its free money, and the response of most people is to take as much of the free money in matched pension contributions as possible. But generally people dont put in more than that. Lets face it, pensions are not exciting, and there are more demands upon your money. However there is one time when you should consider putting more into a pension and that is when you have children, particularly if you are making contributions to child support in the UK, using the Child Maintenance Service.
Why Invest in a Pension
The are several reasons to invest in a pension. Pensions allow you to save for your retirement. If you die, before you start taking the pension, it may be passed to your beneficery outside of your estate. However as this blog concerns child maintenance lets look at how pension contributions affect child support calculations.
There are six steps to a CMS calculation. The first step is to take your annual income, using HMRC records for a particular tax year. We will use the 22/23 tax year as an example.
The next step is to deduct from the annual income any special expenses payments, such as for travel, and also deduct any pension contributions. In doing so, the annual income is reduced.
Example 1
Someone earnt £30,000 in the 22/23 tax year. They then paid £3600 in pensions via an employers scheme, equivalent to £300 per month
CMS contributions are discounted from the gross income. In this case, the effect of this is to reduce the salary from £30,000 to £26,400. From this point the CMS calculation starts to come together.
In this case, the pension was made through an employers scheme. Which in the majority of cases, means the income for the year reported to HMRC is after the deduction.
So HMRC record a total income of £26,400. And CMS base their income calculation on £26,400. CMS are not aware of the pension contribution, and they do not need to be told about it, as the pension has been removed from the income.
When you look at the child maintennace Portal it is normal for it to say £zero pension contributions, when you pay via a workplace scheme. An explanation for that is here.
https://youtu.be/bowRzEem1aA
What if my contributions are not reducing my CMS
However, there is a flaw with employer contributions. Some employers take the pension contributions, after deduction for National Insurance and Tax. So they are made from Net pay. This means that the deductions are not automatically reduced from the CMS calculations. In order to get them reduced you will need to send them the evidence of the pension contributions, ie the pension statement, which is produced at the end of the tax year.
This also means, that when the paying parent looks at the CMS website or their paperwork it will show as £ zero pension contributions. This is correct.
Example 2
Someone earnt £30,000 in the 22/23 tax year. They then paid £3600 in pensions via an employers scheme, equivalent to £300 per month
CMS contributions are not discounted from the gross income In this case, the gross salary has not been reduced, so it is reported that the employee was paid £30,000.
In order to get it reduced, the employee has to send the pension statements in after the tax year ends.
Common Questions.
a. If I pay 26% all more of my salary into my work pension, will it reduce my CMS each month due to the 25% rule?
No and yes! It will, but not in the same tax year. If you ask CMS to reduce due to breaching the 25% threshold, they will ignore your pension contributions. So by paying more than 25% you will receive 25% less pay, and you will have to still pay CMS on the full income. But all is not lost.
The increased pension contributions will reduce your CMS calculations in a future year, when that tax years income, less pension contributions is used to calculate the liability.
So if in the 22/23 tax year, you pay 25% or more into a pension, when that tax year is used, in either 23/24 or 24/25 tax years, you will pay 25% LESS!
b. What about private pensions?
Private pensions are covered here at: How The Child Maintenance Service Treat Private Pension Contributions
c. If I get a payrise, will the CMS take more money off of me?
Yes they will, when that tax year is used for your calculations. However if you pay the payrise into a pension, the pay rise is effectively cancelled out.
Disclaimer: None of this article, or any other article should be considered to be independent financial advice. The opinions expressed are based on experiences dealing with the Child Maintenance Service on child support issues. Legislation may change the validity of the examples and information.
2023/12/12
Shared Care and Child Maintenance
Shared Care and Child Maintenance
When a parent makes an application to the Child Maintenance Service they calculate the amount due, using a formula that depends upon a number of factors such
as the number of children, the paying parents income and how many other
children the paying parent may have.
They then discount that amount to cater for shared care. Shared care is where the paying parent shares some evening care responsibilities.
For each night on an average week, a paying parent is expected to have the children they take off 1/7th or about 14%. They have to estimate, based on patterns, or if a court order exists, they base the discount on that.
You do not need to have a court order to prove shared care. A regular pattern can be used as evidence. For example if a child stays with the paying parent every Friday and Saturday night, it will be assumed that over the year they will stay with them 54 times.
This qualifies as a 2/7ths
discount or a 28% reduction in maintenance to pay.
The
formula is set in legislation, meaning that it cant be changed by the
CMS. It is generally considered that where the child is sleeping at
midnight determines where they are being cared for.
Shared Care Breakdown
- 52 to 103 nights per year equals a 1/7th reduction.
- 104 to 155 nights per year equals a 2/7ths reduction.
- 156 to 174 nights per year equals a 3/7ths reduction
- More than 175 nights equals a 50% reduction and an extra £7 per week reduction for each child in the band.
It is therefore very important that both parents are aware of the shared care discount as it will affect the money.
Where parents are in dispute, the CMS will make a decision which is normally based in favour of the parent with care. (This is because it is rare for a parent with care receiving money to say they have a child less than the paying parent states).
For example if the paying parent says the child stays for three nights, and
the other parents states one night, they will grant one night shared care,
as both parties have agreed its at least one night. However its possible to argue this and overcome the issue, by appealing using the Mandatory Reconsideration process.
What About Day Care?
The CMS do not take daycare into account. If the child stays with the
receiving parent every night, but is looked after by the paying parent all
day, the paying parent has to pay 100% of the child support maintenance
due.
However day care is important when dealing with HMRC
concerning child benefit.
What About Other Discounts?
The amount of child maintenance charged can also be reduced by taking into account pension contributions, special expenses and other children.
- To see how child support payments can be reduced for pensions, click here.
- To see how child support payments can be reduced for expenses, click here.
- To see how child support payments can be reduced due to other children, By clicking here..
Example
A child stays with the paying parent from Saturday morning, until 9pm on
the Sunday. They then sleep at the other parents house. In this
example, the child only sleeps at the house for one night, so only one night
of shared care is discounted. It may be two days, but only the nights
count.
Summary
The Child Maintenance Service
formula for calculation of child support is set by parliament, so cannot be
deviated from Its has many aspects, but the most important is shared
care. One night shared care per week, can reduce child maintenance by
14%.
Further Resources
Child Maintenance A Guide for Parents
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